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10801 - Lift Hopping

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:14 pm
by Zuberul
I used modified floyd-warshall & managed a wrong ans.
please give me some I/O.

Re: Need I/O-10801

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:38 pm
by lord_burgos
Zuberul wrote:I used modified floyd-warshall & managed a wrong ans.
please give me some I/O.
Input

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3 30
100 100 1
0 2 4 5 6 7 8 21 22 23 24 25 26 30
1 2 19 11 12 13 14 15 16 30
1 10 30
Output

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449

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:04 pm
by Zuberul
hmm changed a bit & got the correct ans .
but this time got TLE.
what is the faster method to solve it.
can you explain please.

thanks for the help.

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:51 pm
by Abednego
Research Dijkstra's shortest path algorithm. The Big White book (Cormen, et al. "Introduction to Algorithms") is a good reference.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:11 pm
by Cho
What should be the output of this input?

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2 99
100 1
0 1 98 99
1 98
9900? or 417?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:16 pm
by Krzysztof Duleba
417.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:20 pm
by Cho
Oh.. that doesn't make sense :evil:
No wonder why shortest path works for this problem.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:33 pm
by Krzysztof Duleba
But this is a regular shortest path problem. What would you expect?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:12 pm
by misof
The issue Cho was pointing to: Consider the test case he posted. The optimal solution is: take lift 1 from 0 to 1, take lift 2 from 1 to 98, take lift 1 from... oh, wait! Isn't the slow lift 1 somewhere around floor 2 now? How is it possible that suddenly it is here and I can take it again (to get to the floor 99)?

I think a way around this problem is to assume that if a lift is empty, it may move faster than if it is transporting a person. Then the assumption about waiting 60 seconds may make sense.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:14 pm
by little joey
I fully agree with cho on this matter. I think problem descriptions should withstand the reality check, otherwise they are misleading.

In cho's case:
1. take elevator 1 to floor 1, which takes 100 seconds
2. wait 60 seconds for elevator 2
3. take elevator 2 to floor 98, which takes 97 seconds
4. wait 60 seconds for elevator 1
5. tale elevator 1 to floor 99, which takes 100 seconds

The total trip takes 100+60+97+60+100 = 417 seconds.

But between step 2. and step 4. elevator 1 has 60+60+97 = 217 seconds to get from floor 1 to floor 98 at a speed of 100 seconds per floor. This is absurd. Or does it magically teleports from one floor to another if nobody is in it? Why wait 60 seconds then?

Complete rubbish...

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:21 pm
by Krzysztof Duleba
I don't agree. The problem statement says:
(for simplicity) the operation of switching an elevator on some floor always takes exactly a minute.
This information is enough. If it always takes a minute, we shouldn't worry about slow elevators at all.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:38 pm
by little joey
Sure, the problem description is complete in the sense that it contains enough information to solve the problem. My point is, however, that it pretends to describe a real life situation, but misses the reality check by several orders of magnitude.

Of course, to make a problem out of a real life situation, one has to make simplifications, assumptions and idealisations, but in my opinion they should only have a minor effect on the outcome of the problem. This is simply stretching it too far and therefore misleading.

But maybe I'm being too philosophical about it.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:27 pm
by Abednego
Cho and little joey, you're absolutely right. I could say that elevators use "subspace teleporting" to move between floors, but that procedure is dangerous to humans and it always takes exactly 60 seconds.

This is a poor defence though. Next time, I will do this problem the correct way. Stay tuned for "Lift Hopping 2.0"...

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:29 am
by windows2k
Hello, I thought it's a simple shortest path problem.
I used Dijksta's algorithm to solve and passed all the IO above.
But still get WA.
Could someone offer more input/output? THx :D

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:28 pm
by sqm
Could somebody tell me how to read input in this task - I don't know how make my program stop reading list of floors that I am able to achieve using current elevator.. In C or C++